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Yugo-nostagia 9th July 2011
July 09,2011 / 20 Comments

Hej, Sloveni, jos ste zivi!  - Hey Slavs, you’re still alive! 

  I’ve just received an invitation on Facebook to become a friend of Sfr Jugoslavia Kulturna Bastina – and I’ve accepted. I’ve accepted because I genuinely mourn the passing of SFRJ. However many cracks there were in so-called “Bratstvo-Jedinstvo” and even though “samoupravljenje”, was doomed to failure because human beings are far more interested in the “samo” bit than in “upravljenje”, my first decade in Yugoslavia, the 70’s were by far the happiest, the most enjoyable, the most satisfying, the richest – not because everyone had pots of money – from the cars one sees speeding through Belgrade today, many of the driven by people who grew up after the break-up of Yugoslavia, one can see where the money is today – but because ordinary people were on the whole content with their lot, we could travel freely both within the six beautiful republics and abroad – and the cost of foreign travel was within the reach of a far greater percentage of the population than it is today. With the Adriatic Sea and the Julian Alps at our disposal, we did not need to go abroad for our summer or winter holidays. Yugoslavia was unique – Europe in miniature. And Tito, Yugoslavia and Yugoslavs were respected throughout the world. People employed in larger firms or organizations could expect a flat when their family status – marriage, children – reached a certain level. Salaries were on the whole sufficient to live a fairly comfortable life. There were not many luxuries, but all one’s basic requirements for that fairly comfortable life were available in the shops. This was achieved by a successful renewal of Yugoslavia after the Second World War, led by Josip Broz Tito and achieved by Yugoslavs.  

What normal person would throw away a life like that? Of course, I am well aware of what happened during the 80s – foreign debt caught up with us, none of the six presidents of the presidency trusted the other five, so to all intents and purposes we were without effective government, and having lost the trust and respect of the foreign community we couldn’t expect any help from abroad to help with our foreign debt, for which I accept Tito was partly responsible, but no more than the leaders of all the other countries who had problems with their foreign debt and financial crises – which includes Great Britain. If we had retained a tiny bit of the accord and harmony we had under Tito and had all pulled together, we could perhaps have overcome the crisis, but no, nationalism had to rear its ugly head and along came Milošević and Tudjman to use the simplest method of getting to power – fanning the flames of nationalism and blaming foreign powers for our troubles. We happily queued for milk, bread, sugar and cooking oil, because it was far more important to fight for Greater Serbia than to think of the basic necessities of life. Thousands of young lives were sacrificed for the same myth.

Since October 5th 2000 Serbia has supposedly been a fully democratic country. True, we are free to vote for the party of our choice – but what sort of choice do we have? Nobody now needs a visa to travel within Schengen countries – but what percentage of people can afford to travel? In the 70s the humblest of citizens of SFRJ could go to Cavtat for their summer holidays. The same people today have to be happy with Ada Ciganlija.

I know many of you will justifiably accuse me of naivety and oversimplification, and the younger among you probably won’t understand what I’m talking about. For those born during the past 25 years, what is “normal” is very different from what it is to us older ones.  But I’m not a politician, I am just someone who has lived in this country for forty years and witnessed many changes, most of them, over the past thirty years, for the worse.

That is why I have joined the group Sfr Jugoslavia Kulturna Basta and that is why I look back with nostalgia to the days of Josip Broz Tito and the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia.

 

Hey Slavs!

 Hey Slavs! You’re still alive

the spirit of our grandfathers still lives,
As long as their sons` heart beats

for the people.

It lives, It lives, the Slavic spirit

it will live for centuries,
The abyss of hell threatens in vain,

the fire of thunder is in vain.

Now let everything above us

be carried away by the bura (violent south wind).
The rock cracks, the oak breaks,

let the Earth shake.

We stand steadfastly

like cliffs;
Cursed be the traitor

of his homeland!

 

Serbian

Hej Sloveni, još `te živi
duh naših dedova,
dok za narod srce bije
njihovih sinova.
Živi, živi duh slovenski
živet ce vekov`ma
zalud preti ponor pakla
zalud vatra groma.

Nek se sada i nad nama
burom sve raznese
stena puca, dub se lama,
zemlja nek se trese.
Mi stojimo postojano
kano klisurine
proklet bio izdajica
svoje domovine.

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Dragan Obrenovic, November 12,2012

Dear Mr Byford I was born in 1975, so I could be classified as a member of last few generations who could enjoy what Yugoslavia was, with all its good (and bad) sides. I grew up on thing that you have helped creating and when I think of my childhood and what we watched on tv, "pripremili Timoti Dzon Byford and Mila Bajford" always springs up.Just wanted to tell you one big HVALA for everything as i think that the way I was brought up to think and look at the things is, in a large part, down to you. I am at work now and will read your blog in more detail when I come to my Black Country home tonight. Nothing but the very best to you and your family in everything you do. Dragan Obrenovic

Dear Dragan,
Thanks for your comment. You are just a couple of years younger than my sons, so I can remember what things were like for young people during the last decade or so of the old Yugoslavia.After many years of its being a forbidden subject, people are starting to talk about it and there seem to be two schools - those who look back on it with nostalgia and those who consider it to be a dark period of their lives. I definitely fall in the former category. As far as television is concerned, I am pleased and proud to have been able to contribute something positive to the youger generation of the time. It is now the parents of the children I work with who remember the programmes and look back on that period as being the golden years of television, as indeed it was. I have returned to television as a consultant, but unfortunately there is no hope of returning the clock back 30 years or so. One has to accept that times have changed, that the computer has taken over - something that doesn`t necessarily have to be looked at as a bad thing.
I wish you the very best in the Black Country.
Timothy

Зоран Рељин, July 20,2012

Dear Mr. Byford, Your assertion that 31st May 1991 was before Croatian secession is disputable, to put it mildly. In fact, parliament in Zagreb, devoid of Serbian MP’s, proclaimed independence from SFRJ on May 30th same year. Therefore, I suppose that Mr. Milosevic’s statement on 31st was in response to that act, which, again was, as you know, in breach with SFRJ constitution. That is immediate context. As far as the term “Greater Serbia” is concerned, I have to kindly reject your offer to give you “the true definition of Greater Serbia”. I can only offer you my opinion on that. Firstly, it is very neat rhetoric tool to disqualify opponent in argument. Something like accusation for racism, imperialism, nazism or other ism affiliation. Secondly, it is propaganda catchphrase made up to put blame on one side, e.g. another mean to end the discussion before it really begins, only on larger scale. For these reasons such labels are not suitable for civil conversation, lacking evidence that your opponent is a “firm believer”. This leads me to conclusion that you are not interested in discussion on the subject, at least with me, so this will be my last post. Nevertheless, I am sure you will be able to find authoritative, meaning serious, academic, disputes on the subject, even on internet, if you are really interested in hearing both sides of a story. Best regards, Zoran

Thank you for your further comment. I fully accept your authority in this discussion, which need go no further since, as far as I can gather from what you say, the concept of Greater Serbia never existed. If that is the case, then I apologize and withdraw anything I have said concerning that non-existent concept.

Зоран Рељин, July 18,2012

Поштовани господине Бајфорд, ожалостило ме је Ваше површно и, из перспективе "само да је мени добро", "разумевање" скорашње историје моје земље. А морам признати да ме је и повредило окривљавање Срба - кроз наводну тежњу за "Великом Србијом", за распад СФРЈ. Па још и окриваљавање обичних људи који су, парафразирам, радије сањали о "Великој Србији", него што су водили рачуна о елементарним потребама! Заиста, да није тужно било би смешно. Разумете већ, да је моје виђење догађаја другачије. Молим Вас само да унапред не претпостављате какво, чак верујем да би се после исцрпне расправе, прво о неспорним чињеницама, разумели боље. Ипак, не сматрам да је Ваш блог ни место ни време за тешке расправе о историјској одговорности али сами сте то, додуше узгред, покренули, па ето, рекох бобу боб :)

Postovani Zorane,

Hvala na vasem komentaru. Ja postujem svacije misljenje, ali ne moram da se slazem s njim. Ali mislim da na mom sopstvenom sajtu imam pravo da pisem sta zelim, kao da vi imate pravo da ga ne citate, i ako citate imate pravo da se ne slazete. Jedna stvar mi nije potpuno jasno. Da li stvarno jos sanjate o "Velikoj Srbiji"?
Srdacan pozdrav,

Timothy Byford

Зоран Рељин, July 18,2012

Dear Mr. Byford, It is obvious we disagrrrrrrrr. There is only one thing regarding your SFRJ experiences that interest me. Can you make difference between Serbian and “greater Serbian” (whatever it means for you) standpoint, or not? Best regards Zoran

Dear Zoran,
Yes it is best to agree that we disagree. By Greater Serbia I understand the Serbia that Slobodan Milosevic wanted and what he went to war over, namely that the parts of Bosnia and Croatia where traditionally Serbs had lived for a long time, should become part of a Greater Serbia. I know that Milosevic wanted the State where all Serbs would live - and I quote from "Politika 31 May 1991, p.2 - "to be Yugoslavia in which Serbs would live together with other Yugoslav people who want the same thing... It is in our interest that Yugoslavia is a unified, free, democratic, federal state consisting of nations and citizens with equal rights". That was before Croatia seceded from Yugoslavia. When they did - what then did the term Greater Serbia presuppose?  Did Milosevic think he could force Croatia to return to the Federation? Britain became "Great" when England formerly united with Scotland in 1707. I did not make up the term Greater Serbia - it seems to me to refer to a Serbia that contains the terrotory where Serbs live - i. e parts of Croatia and Bosnia. Please correct me if I`m wrong, and give me the true definition of Greater Serbia.
Kind regards,
Timothy

Igor, July 13,2012

Just blame it on those bad Serbs and their "Greater Serbia", yeah right! Enough with your communist propaganda! Слава России!

Dear Igor,
Thank you for your comment. If the "Enough with your communist propaganda i directed at my blog, I`m sorry, but I was not suggesting a return to communism, I was just suggesting that Yugoslavia as a country was not such a bad thing!
Best wishes,
Timothy

P. S. I`m sorry your comment was not printes earlier, but I have been out of Belgrade and had problems with my Internet connection.

Tomislav, July 13,2012

Vecina stavova je odraz emotivnog iskustva g-dina T.Bayforda. Vecina stavova je utopististicka ali strasno je Timi da se potpuno i definitivno udaljujes od realnog vremena. Drugim recima starimo i nasa sagledavanja imaju visedimenziono sagledavanje ali sve to je za nove generacije nerazumljivo. Da postoji u drustvu ocuvana TRADICIJA i sacuvani AUTORITETI SRUCNIH LJUDI onda bi mogao da se primeni barem neki deo od predloga. Ovako sve spada u domen ,,Something of a digital maniac. I write a bit. Enjoy taking photographs. Record my dreams. Love music, poetry, nature, children, beautiful women and life. The future is NOW,,.......................

Dear Tomislav,
Thank you for your comment . I accept most of what you say, but still reserve the right to express my feelings of nostalgia in print!
I apologize for not printing your comment earlier, but I have been out of the country (in another country of the former Yugoslavia) and had a bad Internet connection.
Best wishes,
Timothy

stanke, July 12,2012

The problem with the Hey Sloveni is that in Yugoslavia you had huge percent of people who were not considered slavs by genetis so it was discriminating to them. The second thing to remember is the communist regime has killed more then 50 thousand people after the were, and many more during the Titos fascist dictatorship. Tens of thousands people were sent to political camps for "working against governemnt". How can you celebrate such a country? My family has roots in the pro capitalist chetniks ideology and i cant believe that in Serbia there are still many people who can celebrate the communist fascist regime.

Thank you for your coment. I accept that you have a point - a very good one - to which I have no answer. I still like the tune of Hej Sloveni though!
Timothy

laza, July 12,2012

"Hey Slavs Hey Slavs, still is alive The spirit of our forefathers, Till for the people beats Their sons heart. It lives, it lives, the spirit of the Slavs, It will live for ages to come. In vain threatens the deep of Hell In vain the Thunder`s fire. Let now above us too All set off the tempest. The rock breaking, the oak shattering, Let the earth shudder. We stand stalwart, Alike mountain gorges, Cursed be the traitor Of his homeland.

I don`t know whether this is your translation, but it still requires some work on it to be acceptable English!
Timothy< Ouch, poked by Mr. Bayford`s response, I`d humbly ask for a hint of correction, at least one ("till? let above us too?")... I tried to make it `poetic` and not strictly adhere to formal English... but it`s not easy to break the language I don`t have perfect control of. But also, even the original words are kinda poetically breaking the formal Serbian form: nek se sve i nad nama raznese, stena puca, dub se lama, zemlja nek se trese... not perfectly clear. Also, this software is changing our input.. all lines appear jumbled together, not the way I typed them in (each capital letter marking a new line). About Yugoslavia... the heart that many of us felt back then, still shines way above it`s system of government (Socialism), which is an intellectual error (to least the least). But maybe something similar could be said about the present EU project.

Dear Laza,
Thanks very much for your comment. No, the translation isn` t mine - I just copied and pasted the existing translation from the Internet. I accept I should have been more careful and thank you for your suggestions. I particularly like your words about the old Yugoslavia and the heart (spirit) shing above the system of government, which was intended to be the the point of my blog.  Communism was an experiment that didn` t work, and which tragically cause the deaths of millions of people. The EU may well go the same way - but I hope without human sacrifice.
With very best wishes,
Timothy

Martinovic Ratko, July 11,2012

Dear John, Thank`s for everithing what have you done for our Yugoslav cultural life(I wrote ,never learned english i school,never mind).It is great ,wonderfull how you as (Englishmen,British)better understand or understood,"Us Yugoslavs" then other I must say openly(frankly) "born idiots Yugoslavs".Moram nastaviti na srpskohrvatskom.Zivim i u Austriji,gde polako zaboravljam i srpskohrvatski(zahvaljujuci "kulturnoj asimilaciji"austrijanaca koji se eto sada osecaju pozvanim da sve "barbare"narocito Slovene konacno uvedu u kulturu.)O ovome bi se moglo pisati danima.Prve emocije u nasim dusama,nas koji smo imali normalniji zivot u SFRJ(za razliku od nasih gasterbajtera koji dosli takoreci bez osnovne skole,i radili danju nocu najteze poslove)jestu Bud Spencer,Benny Hill,John Wayne,G.Cooper,Black Ader,...obilje britanskih i americkih filmova,punk ,rock....da bili smo deo sveta.Nek` se nikad ne zaboravi.!!!!!

Hvala Ratko na komentaru. Milo mi je sto nisam sam - ljudi koji su se rodili posle osamdesetih godina ne znaju sta su propustili. Moja deca su odrasli u Yugoslaviji i kad se raspala otisli su u Englesku. Ali se secaju divno detinjstvo sedamdesetih i osamdesetih godina. Ne mozemo da se vratimo u proslost, ali takodje ne bismo trebali da zaboravimo kako je bilo u staroj Jugoslaviji. Kad su nas ceo svet voleli!
Zelim vam sve najbolje,
Pozdrav,
Timothy

Goran S. Milovanović, July 10,2012

"Since October 5th 2000 Serbia has supposedly been a fully democratic country. True, we are free to vote for the party of our choice – but what sort of choice do we have? Nobody now needs a visa to travel within Schengen countries – but what percentage of people can afford to travel? In the 70s the humblest of citizens of SFRJ could go to Cavtat for their summer holidays. The same people today have to be happy with Ada Ciganlija." Dear Mr. Byford, this passage from your text sounds almost as an open call to restore socialism and reintroduce the Communist Party back in power. Not to mention the whole text. I am sorry to have to disappoint you but it must be that you have somehow managed to learn already that the citizens of Serbia are not quite as mad as buffaloes. It is true that the Serbian word for madness ("ludilo") has a somewhat positive connotation among young people here, but rest assured that the situation is not that bad as it might seem. And it is light years away from any attempt to restore any connection to Yugoslavia`s infamous communist past. I always say I have an understanding for the nostalgic sentiment of older generations towards Yugoslavia. As a psychologist, I must be aware of the importance of people`s emotional responses associated in their memories to the representation of peaceful and prosperous times. And I am aware of that emotional fact. Again, any remotely plausible, rational political analysis would be able to show how the existence of Yugoslavia under the communist regime was a cause of all troubles that followed the dissolution of the country, as well as the cause of the common economical difficulties in the countries that formerly constituted Yugoslavia. It`s sounds almost axiomatically clear nowadays that centralized, command economies will never produce anything except instability, shortage and crisis. History has taught us that politics is best approached as a branch of engineering. This means: in a manner as rational as possible. Well, as good engineers know, some projects are effective and built on solid foundations that assure their long term stability, while other are simply not. Unfortunately, Yugoslavia was a political project of the second kind. Young people here should be considered very lucky to find themselves in a situation were all of the worst of the consequences of that project are behind them.

Dear Goran,,
Thank you for your comment. I was prepared for such comments as yours, so I have an answer ready. Everything you say is true - although my experience with young people is even if they should consider themselves lucky to be living now, remarkably few of them do and more and more of them are leaving the country. I know full well that one cannot go back in time and the last thing I am advocating is a return to communism. Communism, like Christianity is very good in theory, but because of man`s inherent weakness it is impossible in practice. This is why I have rejected Christianity - and all organized religions.
My main point was the existence of Yugoslavia as a country, with all its citizens mixing freeiy - until the appearance of extreme nationalism. I accept that my feelings are those of nostalgia, but they are feelings I shall take with me to the grave and feelings I express whenever the subject comes up, like the occasion of being invited to this group on Facebook. As I said earlier, I am well aware that has to accept the situation as it is now. I grew up in the 1940s and  1950s and I know very well that it is not just nostagia that I remember my childhood and schooldays as being a period without stress. Life has become so fast over the past fifty years that stress is an integral part of young people`s lives and most of them accept it as a fact of life, which, unfortunately it is. In the 30s Bertrand Russell wrote an essay about the benefits of technology - foresseing that it would enable man to work a four-day week and have more time to enjoy nature, art and culture. The fact is that technology has enabled man to produce three times as much in the same time, and so that is what he does. It is not difficult to imagine what will happen to both man and the world if this continues. But it is a fact - we can`t return to the past. But that does not mean that we cannot reflect on the past.

Dejan, July 10,2012

Not at all Mr Byford! You`re not alone. It`s the first time I`ve visited your website/blog and it is already in favorites. A few bitter tears went down my cheeks when I was reading this and remembered SFRJ. "Nostalgia" for the past still exists, more or less, and, if i can cite J.R.R. Tolkien (one of my favorite writers of my childhood, and British gentleman): "The world has changed. I see it in the water. I feel it in the Earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, For none now live who remember it." We are still alive to remember and say to new generations a good things about SFRJ and, maybe, they will apply some good things for their better life. I`m not a politician either and I would like to see mankind as not so greedy and evil people who think just about the money, luxury and pleasure. Best wishes my teacher (because you are - I have been watching and learning what You were teaching us)!

Thank you, Dejan, for your moving comment. I have just answered another comment from a psychologist who suggests that I am calling for a return to communism, which of course I am not. However, we have a habit, when we bring about change, of totally rejecting what has been before, instead of keeping what is good about it. The expression is "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"  That is what I feel has been done by destroying the former Yugoslavia.

Timothy Byford, July 10,2012

Dear Goran,
I`ve just been looking at your website and am very impressed. It helps me to realize how naive people like you must think my comments to be. However, perhaps naivety sometimes reveals more than deep intellectual thought. The problem with all revolutions, including democratic ones, is that they want to bring about complete change, rejecting all that has been before, thus "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". Revolutions change things, but I think I am right in saying that there has never been a revolution that has completely solved the problems that brought it about. Correct me if I`m wrong.
With best wishes,
Timothy

laza, July 10,2012

Hey Slavs Hey Slavs, still is alive The spirit of our forefathers, Till for the people beats Their sons heart. It lives, it lives, the spirit of the Slavs, It will live for ages to come. In vain threatens the deep of Hell In vain the Thunder`s fire. Let now above us too All set off the tempest. The rock breaking, the oak shattering, Let the earth shudder. We stand stalwart, Alike mountain gorges, Cursed be the traitor Of his homeland.

I don`t know whether this is your translation, but it still requires some work on it to be acceptable English!
Timothy

Cedomir, July 10,2012

Just one linguistic remark: "Hej Sloveni, jošte živi duh naših dedova..." should be translated as: "Hey Slavs, the spirit of our ancestors (grandfathers) is still alive...", since "jošte" is a poetic/archaic form of "još" (still). :-)

I accept, of course. It isn`t my translation - I copied and pasted it from the Internet. I should have been more critical - I shall change it - thank you!

Goran S. Milovanović, July 10,2012

Dear Timothy, Thank you for your kind response to my comment. First, let me reply to your: "Revolutions change things, but I think I am right in saying that there has never been a revolution that has completely solved the problems that brought it about." I think I completely agree with you. I hope so much that one day - and hopefully not in a future too distant from us - the world will somehow manage to enter the era of peaceful evolution. The qualitative changes brought about by former revolutions in various political systems and times were able to improve the human condition in several respects but were always taking a high toll in human lives and, as you say, had never been able to solve all the relevant social, political and economical problems to prevent people from entering further conflicts. Call me a dreamer, but I believe that liberal democracy - in spite of all problems that can be recognized even in those societies that nowadays live within a tradition of liberal democracy for more than centuries - presents a framework which can provide the conditions for a peaceful evolution of human societies. Now let me reply to your first comment. I was only 17 when Slobodan Milošević came to power in Serbia. Before those times, I remember being a kid who was interested in computers, scientific books and magazines on popular science, had many friends with similar interests and enjoyed spending each summer on the Adriatic sea, on the beautiful coast on a canal separating the island od Korčula from the land. And again, being surrounded by other kids who did not even know how to make any difference between Croats, Bosnians, Serbs and others, because they simply did not know whether they were Croats, or Bosnians, or Serbs, or anything else. Being a Yugoslavian and a citizen on a multiethnic society was so natural that the differences between us were almost never marked linguistically, thus efficiently preventing all of the bitter discussions, conflicts and evils of political, military and intellectual nature that occurred later. Unfortunatelly, it turned out that the supression of those differences among the peoples of Yugoslavia also took part as a causal factor of the evils that followed its dissolution. What I remember nowadays are only those evils, that I do not think I will ever be able to forget. I do not have to explain that in the 90s I was growing up in the context of the nationalistic madness in my country. That madness was fed and carefully engineered on the behalf of those who enjoyed in power and privileges by contrasting our madness to similar madnesses of people in other former republics of SFRY. Intellectually, I was close to people who advocated peace and criticized the dissolution of the country. Emotionally, I was afraid - and that fear has grown into a part of me that is somehow still around - that we were simply a very small group of those whose voices can be silenced easily. Tolerated only in the proportion of the value that the nationalists were able to perceive after exemplifying us as a minor, intellectual, useless group of those who refused to recognize the essential importance of their great historical project. The project that was taking its toll everyday, right in front of our eyes. But again, I guess, the atmosphere was the same in other former republics. Again, as a student of social sciences, I could not avoid but to recognize the effects that the political and economical system of the SFRY had on the brake up of the country. SFRY was not a pluralistic society in a political sense. The intellectual and political opposition to communism thus grew angry and bitter over the decades of communist power and (almost naturally) resulted in extreme nationalism and denial of almost any Yugoslav social or political tradition - of which many were useful and good - in the early 90s. Again, there was only a small group of people who thought it was possible to achieve democratic pluralism and develop a liberal free-market environment in the country without sailing the destructive waters of nationalism. Of course, no one was interested in listening to them. The political and economical power developing in the hands of newborn local, nationalistic political elites presented an incentive worth of removing any even remotely normal, peaceful, human idea of how our societies could work in favor of their citizens and not against them. In effect, we are now faced with a complex situation in Serbia were actually two retrograde political ideas wander around the country as ghosts: nationalism, and an ex-Yugoslavian sentiment which nowadays seems to be reacting in an authoritarian way similar to what happened to the nationalists (even democratic ones) during the decades of the communist power. I am deeply concerned about the future of the society which is put under such pressure, being stretched between two historically failed, defeated concepts, between two traditions of which neither proved its worth in the face of history. What we need here in order to achieve the dream (yes, call it a dream) of peaceful evolution, free of the burden of the past, conflict and hate that are so characteristic of this region, is some new concept, some new form of identity that defies both the national and the communist tradition while at the same time picks out only what was good in both of the traditions. If you tell me that there was probably nothing good in the nationalistic political tradition, well, I can understand. I have to admit that in relation to this I am fascinated with the ability of the society of the United Kingdom to manage its adherence to tradition and its liberal, pluralistic, and democratic environment at the same time. In discussions with my colleagues in social sciences I have been always saying that the UK is a sort of a "model country": a successful pluralistic society to learn from. But, given the unlucky historical conditions and the absence of political responsibility on the behalf of too many political actors in this country, I am aware of how difficult would it be to discover such a new concept of identity for my people. For me, there never was a more noble idea than to build an inclusive society of human beings who would share the planet and its resources as a common good on their way to progress and mutual benefit. As much as I am aware that communism and state socialism are nothing like steps leading to the achievement of such a goal for the humanity I am also aware that the dissolution of a multicultural society like Yugoslavia presents a defeat and a loss for all people of good faith, for all real contemporary humanists. My fear related to the reactive nature of the actual ex-Yugoslavian sentiment present in the contemporary discourse is related to my concerns of whether anything similar to the evil of the 90s will someday come around again. And I don`t want it around anymore. Not for me, not for my children, not for anyone. This fear of mine should not prevent anyone from reflecting on the past or thinking about future possible ways to enable people to live free from imposed constrains of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, gender, race or whatever you may quote that constrains people from being, simply, human beings, and nothing else if they do not wish to. Let me finish this lengthy comment with a personal note. I was very happy to see you taking place in the public discourse in this country again. People like you - people who firmly dedicated their lives and professional careers in creative pursuits that made many a childhood - including my own - happier, are exactly the type of men and women we need in the public discourse of this society. People who will affirm the values unrelated to the present public discourse in the former republics of SFRY that is - more or less - simply an elaboration of the destructive discourse of the 90s. You will always be welcomed, respected and loved in Belgrade, for all the contributions you have made here. Kind regards, Goran P.S. As of my blog: thank you for your words of encouragement, but there is really nothing impressive there. I am simply a person trying to find a way to contribute.

Dear Goran,
Thanks very much for your comment. Of course I accept all you say - my stance is very much an emotional one, and the fact that my children had a very happy childhood and youth and were then in the early nineties obliged to flee from their homeland to save their skins, had an effect on my feelings about the end of the old Yugoslavia. Of course, now, as they have both succeeded in the UK, I feel I  should perhaps even be grateful to Milosevic for forcing them to leave!  
The UK has become a multicultural society because of its policy of being an open society, but multiculturism at the moment is largely restricted to the larger towns. In the agricultural area in and around the city of my birth, Salisbury, it is difficult to come across a black or Muslim citizen. Many years ago, somebody estimated that the maximum population of the UK was 36 million - it is now approaching twice that. It remains to be seen how long it is going to take before it bursts at the seams.
But this is another subject!
I wish you all the best,
Timothy

Chris Milanovic, July 10,2012

Tito and Yugoslavia will forever hold a special place in my heart, not least because of the reasons you outlined in the beginning of your article, but rather because it was a country with which I could identify with. To me, Yugoslavia was more than just a melting pot of nationalities and religion under a communist flag. It was home to a humble, yet proud peoples who were world-class athletes and brilliant academics known the world over for their sporting achievements and scientific contributions. All this was captured in the beginning of your article, but sadly, you made a transition from speaking proudly and fondly about a wonderful country and its leader, to giving a diluted history lesson the possible reasons and causes of its disintregration; isolating and alienating Serbs and Croats in the process. Although I will neither deny nor support your reasons for disintregration and which parties were most to blame, what I believe is more important is that today, former Yugoslav republics have intensified cooperation and integration, have worked to overcome the transgressions of the past and in doing so, have managed to greatly thaw the icy relations that followed folling the wars to create an atmosphere of respect, understanding and perhaps admiration. This trend coupled with the increasing visitations to Tito`s `Kuca Sveca` - house of flowers on his birthday by `Pioniri`, to the steady growth of Yugostalgija or Yugo Nostalgia and the youthful movement of the post-Yugoslav generation who advocate globalization and integration not separation as their forefathers did, make me believe that the rebirth of Yugoslavia is no longer fantasy, but rather a sincere possability; Hej Sloveni, jos ste zivi indeed.

Dear Chris,
Thank you so much for your comment. I, too, believe that the countries of the former Yugoslavia will gradually move closer together again and that, although Yugoslavia can never exist again, the people of the former Yugoslavia will again mix freely. Yugoslavia existed in one form or another for seventy years - this is history and cannot and should not be forgotten. There is still rivary between Scotland and England, which have been part of the same country for  400 years, so let rivalry in this part of the world be restricted largely to the sportsfield!
With best wishes,
Timothy 

Nikola, July 09,2012

Thank you. Do you remember nice text: "I love YU".

Jasmina, July 09,2012

Thank you Mr Byford. It was comforting to read your blog post. My memories don’t reach as far as yours, but the ones I have of SFRJ are similar to yours. I was born in the year that Tito died, a couple of months later, but still lived the childhood in country you described. As a child from mixed marriage I lived the concept of “bratstvo i jedinstvo”, and never had any doubt in it. It was a great idea, ideal concept that didn’t survive. So thank you once again for reminding me that there are still people out there who feel the same way I do. People often dismiss such posts as naive or simply nostalgic but, in reality all you wrote, and all I felt reading it was regret for simpler, more humane life we were forced to leave behind us.

Marko Krstajic, July 09,2012

Hear, hear! It`s all i can say to this :)

Timothy Byford, July 09,2012

Thank you for your comments. It`s good to know I`m not alone!

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